Hold off on buying ROUSHCHARGER

[LVROUSH]

As if the road getting here wasn't interesting enough. I may have another problem with the my supercharger install. As I mentioned last week, the car is running "fat". I spoke with the shop that did the install and they said most kits take a little bit to fully calibrate after an install/flash. I drove the car as much as possible this weekend and now have picked up a miss (suggesting plug fouling) and stalling along with the rich smell of fuel in the cabin. I spoke with ROUSH this morning and they said I need an immediate oil change (gas) and to find out what cal/module ID I have before going forward. I will be in the hunt today and let you guys know what happens. I would hold off if you're thinking of getting a kit though until I complete the guinea pig work for us.

[RandyB]

We do appreciate the research and development work.

Sorry to hear you're having problems though as I'm very interested in this kit. Keep us posted. Look on the bright side, if it is really running that rich you will likely pick up some more horses when they resolve it.

he might be able to help MILE HIGH DYDNO COM Maybe he can do a custom tune !! good luck

[DevilSun]

Yeah, hell, worst case, get it dyno'd (with A/F) IMMEDIATELY! Don't go by smell, or sound, go by sight and real specs!

Dyno dan . he's in LV

[SS]

Originally Posted by blueboy

Dyno dan . he's in LV

Yeah I guess if you want to waste your money!

Call Gil Nevarez at Nevarez Racing or Bill at Bridges Performance
Dan will charge you $150 min just for 3 pulls and a A/F and you have to
wait for "HIM" he does this on the side....FYI
The other two tuners/ Dyno shops will hook you up for $40-60
Tell them you are with snma.net for even a better deal.

My guy says he does killer tunes

[RandyB]

He wants to have Roush get the tune right for the sake of the warranty.

[SS]

Originally Posted by blueboy

My guy says he does killer tunes

Roush breaks the port off so you cant rewrite the tune.
There's pics on here someplace of it. I talked to him Sat and he told
me he had to send the ECU into roush for the tune.

I have been around this town for a while and Dan has one of the worst
reps in town for tuning and customer service!
But this is not a debate about tuners in LV.

Also I was referring to the comment made about testing the A/F ratio not doing
dyno pulls for numbers. I agree 110% get a good A/F before you think
that something is wrong. My car smells rich but at WOT its right at 11.4-11.5!

[SMOKE]

Originally Posted by RandyB

We do appreciate the research and development work.

Ditto .... tough being the pioneer.

[05-1947]

Originally Posted by SS

Yeah I guess if you want to waste your money!

That is pretty harsh. Maybe he just charged you that, because I have paid a lot less than that in the past.

[Shay]

In any case we should wait until the chips fall on the ROUSHCharger situation before telling people NOT to buy it. The installation was not done by a Roush Dealer, thus there are variable at work here that RPP cannot control.

[U.S.BlueStage2]

Originally Posted by LVROUSH

As I mentioned last week, the car is running "fat".

How do you know this?

What I don't understand is why a dyno was not done after the install.

A dyno will tell you what the air fuel ratios are, as well as HP torque. . . .

I would not lambast anything or anyone until you have the knowledge.

If I were the installer, I would not even let the car out of the shop w/o a dyno reading.

My car smells like gas when idling, sometimes its real bad, sometimes its not even noticeable. I dont think the sniff test is going to work for you here.

And finally, I would not worry too much about the tune issues, and would also recommend that you not get a custom tune when you have Roush writing your programs. They are better than Dan Dave Joe Steve (i.e. any tuner in your State, or the country). It will work out. Keep the faith.

[RandyB]

Any news on your situation yet? I'm anxious to hear what they have to say and see what they do to fix it, as you are too I'm sure. It really looks nice installed - I really like this system.

I wish they would have gone with a bigger MP112(like the '03/'04 Cobra) compressor though, for more potential down the road after the warranty is up. I also wish they would have tried to emulate the smooth matte plastic finish of the airbox for their tube that connects to the TB, as the grainy shiny finish looks a little cheap relative to the rest of the system. But I have seen pics where it didn't look as bad, so I'll reserve final judgement until I see one in person. Overall, the engine bay looks very Ford-like and OEM quality. I like it much better than the Saleen system even though the Saleen uses a far superior compressor and is cheaper.

To the people who are interested in this system - do you like it for the same reasons I do? Roush is very thorough with their engineering and they work together with Ford, so I'm more inclined to trust them more than the other supercharger guys. Aesthetics are a big part of it for me. Whipple and KB have great compressors but their packaging is horrible, IMHO.

[GNX#424]

Originally Posted by LVROUSH

As if the road getting here wasn't interesting enough. I may have another problem with the my supercharger install. As I mentioned last week, the car is running "fat". I spoke with the shop that did the install and they said most kits take a little bit to fully calibrate after an install/flash. I drove the car as much as possible this weekend and now have picked up a miss (suggesting plug fouling) and stalling along with the rich smell of fuel in the cabin. I spoke with ROUSH this morning and they said I need an immediate oil change (gas) and to find out what cal/module ID I have before going forward. I will be in the hunt today and let you guys know what happens. I would hold off if you're thinking of getting a kit though until I complete the guinea pig work for us.

LV Roush,

Thanks for the update. Many of us are following your situation with great interest. Your advice to hold off for the time being is wise. For most of us, we want to be sure that everything is properly "dialed in" before we spend the money for this upgrade.

Good luck and keep posting what you find out.

[LVROUSH]

Originally Posted by MustangOne

In any case we should wait until the chips fall on the ROUSHCharger situation before telling people NOT to buy it. The installation was not done by a Roush Dealer, thus there are variable at work here that RPP cannot control.

I apologize is I came across with the message NOT to buy the sytem. Although I have plenty of reasons to be more cautious than the average buyer, my intent here was to be informative and suggest caution until things shake out.

[LVROUSH]

Originally Posted by U.S.BlueStage2

How do you know this?

What I don't understand is why a dyno was not done after the install.

A dyno will tell you what the air fuel ratios are, as well as HP torque. . . .

I would not lambast anything or anyone until you have the knowledge.

If I were the installer, I would not even let the car out of the shop w/o a dyno reading.

My car smells like gas when idling, sometimes its real bad, sometimes its not even noticeable. I dont think the sniff test is going to work for you here.

And finally, I would not worry too much about the tune issues, and would also recommend that you not get a custom tune when you have Roush writing your programs. They are better than Dan Dave Joe Steve (i.e. any tuner in your State, or the country). It will work out. Keep the faith.

Again, it was not my intent to "lambast" or detour, only err to the side of caution until everything is 100% for the benefit of those that are truly interested. I am a ROUSH fan which is obvious with my laying out $6k for the kit. I will be a little more definitive in my approach here in the future as not to offend anyone. Thanks for the feedback.

[LVROUSH]

Originally Posted by RandyB

Any news on your situation yet? I'm anxious to hear what they have to say and see what they do to fix it, as you are too I'm sure. It really looks nice installed - I really like this system.

I wish they would have gone with a bigger MP112(like the '03/'04 Cobra) compressor though, for more potential down the road after the warranty is up. I also wish they would have tried to emulate the smooth matte plastic finish of the airbox for their tube that connects to the TB, as the grainy shiny finish looks a little cheap relative to the rest of the system. But I have seen pics where it didn't look as bad, so I'll reserve final judgement until I see one in person. Overall, the engine bay looks very Ford-like and OEM quality. I like it much better than the Saleen system even though the Saleen uses a far superior compressor and is cheaper.

To the people who are interested in this system - do you like it for the same reasons I do? Roush is very thorough with their engineering and they work together with Ford, so I'm more inclined to trust them more than the other supercharger guys. Aesthetics are a big part of it for me. Whipple and KB have great compressors but their packaging is horrible, IMHO.

I went to a Ford dealer yesterday per a conversation with an engineer at ROUSH to have the module checked. No visible codes. The only issue I have is that the fuel smell at idle is intense, almost nauseating and intermittently when cold (1st thing in the morning) the car will stall out. I am in search of a reputable, competent dyno to see where we are but, haven't found one yet. Performance is great, in the words of my son "it's like sitting on an aircraft during take off", lots of whine on accelaration and makes good power. Hook up issues with the Falken's I have currently though so, new wheels and tires will be in my future. I'll keep you informed.

[U.S.BlueStage2]

Get a dyno with a/f and post it up - then we can all have a look - I am sure it will work out

[protomec]

Originally Posted by SS

Roush breaks the port off so you cant rewrite the tune.
There's pics on here someplace of it. I talked to him Sat and he told
me he had to send the ECU into roush for the tune.

05-up PCMs do not have the same rear port as the older ECC-V PCMs, so there is nothing to break off.

LV- Is the smell you're getting a raw fuel, like when buying gas, smell or just a fume smell that kinda makes your eyes water and nose itch?

If its raw fuel, maybe you are simply smelling a fuel leak. Which wouldn't be good, but also would have nothing to do with the Roush flash, or any for that matter. A leak would really need to be fixed... now.

If its from the exhaust instead, is there any way for you to check any kind of scan tool data? If you can, maybe you should check the Oxygen sensor readings and see if they are constantly moving or just stuck in one place. They should be moving up and down constantly if the A/F is correct at Idle and be stuck high if its too rich.