Super Charger/Hood Pins

With all of the talk about super chargers lately, I thought I would give my two cents. The speed that comes from a super charger can be too much for the hood latch/radiator support. That is why hood pins were invented long ago.

[Markass]

What does a supercharger have to do with hood pins? It doesn't make the car have a higher top speed it just allows it to accelerate to that speed quicker.

Hood pins came about due to the possibility of latch failure at high speeds, but with todays latches I wouldn't be to concerned with that.... They also aid in the prevention of cracks on fiberglass hoods. But probably the biggest reason for hood pin development, was in racing applications where engine work was needed in between rounds or in the pits, and having the hood in the way was seen as a pain in the ass, so why not do away with the hinges and just pin the hood and be able to take it off and put it back on in under a minute?

Did this thread have some sort of point?

[03 S3]

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Due to the torque shifting the radiator support from side to side, it can cause the hood to unlatch. It also eliminates the shaker hood syndrome. The new hood latches aren't any different from the old ones ie: latch catch combo with a safety. The vibrations of the hood shaking on the corners, especially at high speeds, could possibly cause the hood to come up too.

The point is, in my opinion, with a super charger, hood pins are a must. Just as a safety because of the torque and the twisting of the frame rails.

Originally Posted by Markass

What does a supercharger have to do with hood pins? It doesn't make the car have a higher top speed it just allows it to accelerate to that speed quicker.

Hood pins came about due to the possibility of latch failure at high speeds, but with todays latches I wouldn't be to concerned with that.... They also aid in the prevention of cracks on fiberglass hoods. But probably the biggest reason for hood pin development, was in racing applications where engine work was needed in between rounds or in the pits, and having the hood in the way was seen as a pain in the ass, so why not do away with the hinges and just pin the hood and be able to take it off and put it back on in under a minute?

Did this thread have some sort of point?

Hood pins came about due to the possibility of latch failure at high speeds!!! Is'nt that the same Thing I just said ?

[Markass]

Originally Posted by blueboy

Hood pins came about due to the possibility of latch failure at high speeds!!! Is'nt that the same Thing I just said ?

That is ONE of the reasons.... but it certainly isn't because someone slapped a blower on their car and said "gee wiz my car will have a new top speed so I better pin down the hood", no, they came to be because people wanted an easy way to take the hood off and put it back on in a matter of seconds in racing applications.

[Mariob01GT]

Originally Posted by blueboy

Due to the torque shifting the radiator support from side to side, it can cause the hood to unlatch. .

If you got that much torque to shift and twist the radiator support then you got other problems to fn'worry about then some hood latch.

Sorry, don't see that happening at all. Otherwise Roush/Saleen/Steeda or any other company that sell s/c kits would be including hoodpins with them for liability reasons.

I said the speed that comes from a S/C can be to much for hood latch on the rad support The stiker on the hood is only 3/8" of an inch wide so if the front shifts that much it can come up! Factory cars shift, that why 05's came with two rails on the floor!!! To strenthen It againts Unibody Stress

[Markass]

Originally Posted by blueboy

I said the speed that comes from a S/C can be to much for hood latch on the rad support

Once again, the S/C doesn't make the car any faster, it just makes it get to that speed quicker.

I would love for you to find ONE person, 99-06 that has had their hood fly open.... with the exception of aftermarket hoods that are not always properly aligned by the careless installer.

[GNX#424]

I simply like the way they look. Particularly the ones Blueboy put on his car.

However, I do think that the fundamental point that Jim makes is correct. Typically, any of us that are going to put on an SC are not doing it to go slow, and the extra "energy" the engine would produce and the more aggressive driving is a good reason to be sure the hood is safely bolted down.

One way or another, if Jim were in LV it would be great to have those same hood locks on my car.

[Mariob01GT]

Originally Posted by blueboy

I said the speed that comes from a S/C can be to much for hood latch on the rad support The stiker on the hood is only 3/8" of an inch wide so if the front shifts that much it can come up! Factory cars shift, that why 05's came with two rails on the floor!!! To strenthen It againts Unibody Stress

What speed? The maximum speed the car can do is governed by Ford and is set to be between 150-160mph on the GT's. By installing a S/C kit you are not removing this governor and not going any faster then what the factory is allowing you to. A factory vehicle with a stock motor will reach the same exact speed. I don't see Ford installing hood pins?

Originally Posted by Mariob01GT

What speed? The maximum speed the car can do is governed by Ford and is set to be between 150-160mph on the GT's. By installing a S/C kit you are not removing this governor and not going any faster then what the factory is allowing you to. A factory vehicle with a stock motor will reach the same exact speed. I don't see Ford installing hood pins?

Boss cars, mach cars, cobras, any moded up OEM stang got pins. shellby California sp cars OEM! Ford did them cause their crapy hood latchs!!! Dont be mad because you didnt think of it

Originally Posted by GNX#424

I simply like the way they look. Particularly the ones Blueboy put on his car.

However, I do think that the fundamental point that Jim makes is correct. Typically, any of us that are going to put on an SC are not doing it to go slow, and the extra "energy" the engine would produce and the more aggressive driving is a good reason to be sure the hood is safely bolted down.

One way or another, if Jim were in LV it would be great to have those same hood locks on my car.

Happy new year !!! Ididnt make it for blue girls b day better do new years she holds the pink slip

Originally Posted by Markass

Once again, the S/C doesn't make the car any faster, it just makes it get to that speed quicker.

I would love for you to find ONE person, 99-06 that has had their hood fly open.... with the exception of aftermarket hoods that are not always properly aligned by the careless installer.

Faster getting to speed quicker what the fck talk in circles Remeber If any thing happens Markass didnt think they are needed!!!

[Mariob01GT]

Originally Posted by blueboy

Boss cars, mach cars, cobras, any moded up OEM stang got pins. shellby California sp cars OEM! Ford did them cause their crapy hood latchs!!! Dont be mad because you didnt think of it

What? Oh yeah.... You just spoiled my day cause you thought of it first. I am so mad at that. NOT. I can care less over something so miniscule as your statement about hood pins and there relevance to s/c install's. Yes.. I sit here all day worrying about all the people out there with s/c's and no hood pins.

If you're going to make statements at least have some facts to back it up that make sense.


BTW. Those cars that you mentioned were also governed for their speed to make them "street legal". The only reason they received hood pins is purely for cosmetic reasons and to make the buyer feel like they are buying a more or a "race car". It was used to differentiate between a regular version and the more expensive version of the car itself. I'm sure the hood pins did provide an added benefit but was the hood going to fly off without them, probably not.

Typically, any of us that are going to put on an SC are not doing it to go slow, and the extra "energy" the engine would produce and the more aggressive driving is a good reason to be sure the hood is safely bolted down

You are not going any faster with a s/c motor. Speed is speed, regardless what methods you use to get there. It may take you longer on a n/a motor but the amount of forces being applied to your hood are the same. I know it's such a difficult concept to grasp and understand.

Just admit it. You bought the hood pins on a "bling" factor and now you think you have a 9 second car and you're trying to sell everyone on that idea.

Mario

I'm not selling them gave the mod away for free I just want people to be safe !!!Did you read the shaky hood post Do you know the problems with this platform I know you could CARE LESS But some people do what if a problem does come up at least I tryed

[SteveL]

There's no relationship between a blower, a turbo, or even big horsepower with hood pins.

Hood pins on street cars is a cosmetic item. The SCCA does require hood pins on race cars so using them on a non-race car I guess makes it look more 'racey'.

Originally Posted by Mariob01GT

What? Oh yeah.... You just spoiled my day cause you thought of it first. I am so mad at that. NOT. I can care less over something so miniscule as your statement about hood pins and there relevance to s/c install's. Yes.. I sit here all day worrying about all the people out there with s/c's and no hood pins.

If you're going to make statements at least have some facts to back it up that make sense.


BTW. Those cars that you mentioned were also governed for their speed to make them "street legal". The only reason they received hood pins is purely for cosmetic reasons and to make the buyer feel like they are buying a more or a "race car". It was used to differentiate between a regular version and the more expensive version of the car itself. I'm sure the hood pins did provide an added benefit but was the hood going to fly off without them, probably not.



You are not going any faster with a s/c motor. Speed is speed, regardless what methods you use to get there. It may take you longer on a n/a motor but the amount of forces being applied to your hood are the same. I know it's such a difficult concept to grasp and understand.

Just admit it. You bought the hood pins on a "bling" factor and now you think you have a 9 second car and you're trying to sell everyone on that idea.

Mario

how was the 71 429 boss governed Computer trany motor how?

[Markass]

Originally Posted by blueboy

Faster getting to speed quicker what the fck talk in circles Remeber If any thing happens Markass didnt think they are needed!!!

You really are that dense, aren't you?

By adding a supercharger, turbo, nitrous, hell put a fucking JATO on your car....it's not going to make it's top speed any faster, just make it get there quicker. If you wanted to increase your speed you would need to change some gearing, reduce drag, increase the rev limiter and upgrade the valvetrain to do so, or all of the above.
Even if the speed limiter is removed, your car isn't going to go faster than it already does by adding a power adder, it will just get to that same point but faster (time wise, not speed) than before.

Hood pins on a street car are for cosmetic purposes ONLY. There is zero benefit to having hood pins on most street cars for anything other than to try to look "fast". There ARE benefits/requirements for pins, but nothing that would matter for a street car.

So, now what is it that you don't/can't comprehend? I don't know how much more I can break it down for you...

[Markass]

Originally Posted by blueboy

how was the 71 429 boss governed Computer trany motor how?

Ok, then it's goverened by RPM....