roush charger allows no other mods

[sbr2005]

just wanted to let you all know that you should do no other mods to you roush if you want the roush charger. roush will void warranty for anything other than how the car comes stock. any other mods can vary from there tune which is unchangeable after they reflash and solder tabs on ecm. this really sucks because i have a whole bunch of bolt ons and they will not change the tune to work with it. a roush engineer told me even a gear swap or headers will interfere with the tune. am i the only one that thinks this is b.s. who wont do front pipe and headers,cold air kit or a throttle body at some point. i am really unimpressed;. also he told me the dyno numbers are flywheel hp. not rear wheel.

[RandyB]

I may be tempted to get my own tune if that is the case and I go with their system.

[Shay]

This is the reality of buying a product with the warranty coverage that Roush offers for not only the supercharger and its components, but your engine and drivetrain. They provide an OEM solution. It is not for everyone.

If you want a system you can modify with impunity go buy a Vortech, Paxton, Kenne Bell, or other. They make it easy, but if your blow up your motor, you get to buy another motor.

You can indeed modify the ROUSHCharger system, but you viod the warranty. A good programmer and a fresh ECU, along with your hardware mods are quite capable of increasing your power.

The horsepower figures on any product such as this are quoted as flywheel horsepower.

[sbr2005]

Originally Posted by MustangOne

This is the reality of buying a product with the warranty coverage that Roush offers for not only the supercharger and its components, but your engine and drivetrain. They provide an OEM solution. It is not for everyone.

If you want a system you can modify with impunity go buy a Vortech, Paxton, Kenne Bell, or other. They make it easy, but if your blow up your motor, you get to buy another motor.

You can indeed modify the ROUSHCharger system, but you viod the warranty. A good programmer and a fresh ECU, along with your hardware mods are quite capable of increasing your power.

The horsepower figures on any product such as this are quoted as flywheel horsepower.

uh yeah thats great and i understand what you said because thats pretty much what i posted. ford wont void my warranty for the bolt ons i have the dealer did them so i can keep the warranty. why cant roush do the same its not like im changing pulleys on the s/c i just like the sound of the exhaust and the added hp of the bolt ons. which at this point mine is over 300 hp at the rear wheels. a s/c model might be 70-80 hp more. for 5600.00. sheesh id be better off running a 75-100 shot of nos with a very safe tune and make as much or more for alot less. i just dont get why they can not change it for your mods even if it needs to be a bit detuned to be safe.

[sbr2005]

Originally Posted by RandyB

I may be tempted to get my own tune if that is the case and I go with their system.

you will not get their warranty with your own tune. you have to send your cpu to them after that it is not reflashable again per roush except by them.

[Markass]

Originally Posted by sbr2005

sheesh id be better off running a 75-100 shot of nos with a very safe tune and make as much or more for alot less

So do it and quit complaining.

[sbr2005]

Originally Posted by Markass

So do it and quit complaining.

thats good advice. by the by not complaining just stating facts. and some dissatisfaction that the info wasnt availible earlier for guys like me that cant wait to start putting parts on their cars. thats all. sheesh

[MIKE V]

Originally Posted by Markass

So do it and quit complaining.

DUDE HOW OLD ARE YOU every time i see one of your posts it some neg shit go get laid or somethin

[Shay]

Originally Posted by sbr2005

thats good advice. by the by not complaining just stating facts. and some dissatisfaction that the info wasnt availible earlier for guys like me that cant wait to start putting parts on their cars. thats all. sheesh

I dont know if you saw it but.........

http://www.fnsweet.com/about/05roushcharger101.shtml

Information has just become available in the past weeks, as Roush just recently released the system to the public. In November at SEMA they werent even quoting hp numbers yet. It was just last week I was able to start picking peoples brains on the technicals that were willing to talk.

This is part of being a pioneer.

That said, this new ROUSHCharger system is much simpler than the one many of us have lived with and modded in the 1999-2004 cars. The engine it sits on is more capable of handling power, thus the modder unconcerned with a warranty will have a good time with the new system.

[sbr2005]

Originally Posted by MustangOne

I dont know if you saw it but.........

http://www.fnsweet.com/about/05roushcharger101.shtml

Information has just become available in the past weeks, as Roush just recently released the system to the public. In November at SEMA they werent even quoting hp numbers yet. It was just last week I was able to start picking peoples brains on the technicals that were willing to talk.

This is part of being a pioneer.

That said, this new ROUSHCharger system is much simpler than the one many of us have lived with and modded in the 1999-2004 cars. The engine it sits on is more capable of handling power, thus the modder unconcerned with a warranty will have a good time with the new system.

explain. i guess i do not understand how i can mod it and not blow it up. the roush guys said they had serious issues with things like gearing and headers. on top of the fact that you can not adjust tuning once they have programmed it. whats safe to mod on the car if it is bone stock with the roush charger i guess is my question according to them nothing. or am i wrong on that

[RandyB]

Originally Posted by MustangOne

You can indeed modify the ROUSHCharger system, but you viod the warranty. A good programmer and a fresh ECU, along with your hardware mods are quite capable of increasing your power.

If someone wants to modify their car further after the warranty coverage is up, then all that is required is a fresh ECU and a tuner and tune? That doesn't sound like such a big deal. I understand why Roush does this for the warranty, and I can't say that I blame them. How expensive is a new ECU? Thanks for the info.

[toolttime]

I am installing roushcharger now. I had k&n, xcal2 tuner. I am taking off k&n sent the pcm to roush. Waiting for it to come back. I figure I will do it the way they want it done to judge the system if it is right without not doing the things they ask for. When you see some of the changes they do to the airbox for instance are so small they seem insignifacant but they are in the kit for a reason.

[Shay]

Originally Posted by sbr2005

explain. i guess i do not understand how i can mod it and not blow it up. the roush guys said they had serious issues with things like gearing and headers. on top of the fact that you can not adjust tuning once they have programmed it. whats safe to mod on the car if it is bone stock with the roush charger i guess is my question according to them nothing. or am i wrong on that

You can do almost anything provided you have a good programmer who can assure a good tune. With the Roush system, you just have to get a new computer and experiement.

As the primer listed in the link in my last post says, there is no concrete information out there yet about how much power this new 3V motor takes before coming apart.

[Markass]

Originally Posted by sbr2005

thats good advice. by the by not complaining just stating facts. and some dissatisfaction that the info wasnt availible earlier for guys like me that cant wait to start putting parts on their cars. thats all. sheesh

I realize that, but you just sounded like you didn't think it was "worth" it, so why not go the route you feel is "better'?

If you're REALLY wanting to go with the Roush s/c and are worried about warranty issues, do the whole ECU swap and purchase another one that you can have your custom tune on, then if any warranty issues arrise simply swap it out for the Roush-supplied unit and demod it for a bit.

Originally Posted by Markass

I realize that, but you just sounded like you didn't think it was "worth" it, so why not go the route you feel is "better'?

If you're REALLY wanting to go with the Roush s/c and are worried about warranty issues, do the whole ECU swap and purchase another one that you can have your custom tune on, then if any warranty issues arrise simply swap it out for the Roush-supplied unit and demod it for a bit.

Will know if its been swapted Memory cip

[Markass]

Originally Posted by blueboy

Will know if its been swapted Memory cip

Sorry, I didn't get the decoder ring in my Fruit Loops, so I'll try to decipher just what it is you're saying on my own....

There will be no chip in the Roush ECU, only in the OEM replacement that you would buy just to tune it with your other mods. Then, if warranty issues arise, put the Roush ECU back in and pull the mods off and take it in.

[RandyB]

Originally Posted by blueboy

Will know if its been swapted Memory cip

The paint fumes must be getting to him.

Modding with a paint gun

[DevilSun]

I don't blame them. None of the other companies care (S/C manufacturers) because those void your warranties. The system that doesn't (any Roush system) which is fully emissions/CARB certified, has those certifications for a reason. You're also pushing a vehicle much more near it's limits, therefore the "tolerance" of mod's affecting warranty in turn becomes much tighter. For instance, and just for instance, if Roush guarantee's your car will not blow up with their S/C setup, and if it does, covers it under warranty, and are putting it RIGHT at the limit (hypothetically), a slight mod could throw the whole system out of whack, and make it "unsafe" and potentially put it over the edge. Especially with these new 3V and fully electronic controlled vehicles...most of you who have modded them have found out that most CAI's require a special/custom tune. Did you need that on previous engines, heck no! These new engines respond completely differently to mods, and some very unsafely, even just from a CAI. The MAF transfer function in these new vehicles is the main problem of most bolt on mods when it comes to intake mods. I find exhaust mods a little "iffy", but from their perspective I don't blame them.

Also, read close, it says any mods not specifically approved by Roush. They may very well say that JBA headers are acceptable, but I doubt it. In the end, they're convering themselves as much as possible from the people who do any mods and expect to keep their drivetrain warranty fully intact. It wasn't easy for Roush to get to that point to begin with (to keep and warranty drivetrain with power adder) so props to them IMO.

[mln385]

Does anyone know what size injectors Roush is using on this setup along with what size maf?
Also what size fuel pump does the 05-06 gt come with?

Marc

[Shay]

Originally Posted by mln385

Does anyone know what size injectors Roush is using on this setup along with what size maf?
Also what size fuel pump does the 05-06 gt come with?

Marc

Here are the answers....
http://www.fnsweet.com/about/05roushcharger101.shtml