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    WOW Check This Out! - PowerTV BUSTED by Detroit News

    We have had this ongoing issue with PowerTV, and their main gal "PowerMelissa" for years. This media company has several times over the years came into our forums and posted their video spam. Every time, we have trash-canned it because it is nothing but spam.

    But these people are relentless, always coming back under a new user name which gets banned again. They contact me by phone and email asking to get reinstated to post their spam. They have been told , NO. If they want to advertise here are the programs.

    They are the worse than the porn and Viagra people from Russia!

    So, looky here at this Detroit News story today that exposes their little scam. This is truly FNSWEET!




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    Car enthusiast sites ban video they say crosses border between fandom and guerilla marketing. Sharon Terlep / The Detroit News


    An odd and controversial video has been cropping up in the online world of auto enthusiasts.

    The five-minute spot, made by a company called powerTV, shows a group of car customizers rebuilding a Ford Mustang with a high-performance engine made by General Motors Corp. The video, posted to a host of auto fan sites by a blogger named PowerMelissa, has all the hallmarks of one made by die-hard auto enthusiasts.

    But this particular production has riled scores of bloggers, who say powerTV is shamelessly using their Web sites as a form of free advertising for big-name clients like GM, something both the automaker and powerTV deny. At least a dozen auto fan sites have banned powerTV videos altogether. The situation exemplifies the type of messy debate that's playing out in cyberspace as companies big and small turn to increasingly unconventional forms of advertising in their quest to get a younger tech-savvy crowd to pay attention to their products.

    "There's just no rule book for this like there is with other types of media," said James Lawrence, who founded powerTV in 2006.

    PowerTV, a fledgling Murrieta, Calif. company with eight employees, runs an online video-sharing network for the automotive market and creates promotional videos for its clients. Lawrence said the company made the Mustang video purely to stir up debate and promote its own Web site. For Mustang fanatics, the idea of swapping a Corvette engine into the iconic pony car is nothing short of automotive sacrilege.

    GM has employed powerTV to create productions, such as a recent employee training video, Lawrence said. And, naturally, he said, his company will do what it can to make GM happy. But he said the automaker doesn't pay powerTV to advertise on the Web.

    "In our world, does the fact that GM is a client of ours affect what parts we'll put on our vehicles? Of course," said Lawrence, who added that his company now asks permission before posting such videos. "When you're dealing with the Internet, there's definitely a further blurring of lines."

    GM spokesman Tom Henderson said the automaker's relationship with powerTV is entirely unrelated to the video in question. The automaker does, however, recognize the value in courting the crowd that cruises such fan sites.

    "In the past year or two, we've really begun to focus a lot of what we do on engaging enthusiasts," Henderson said. "PowerTV helps us reach our consumers."

    It's a sensitive issue for the enthusiast sites, most of which specifically prohibit companies from posting advertising content without paying for the right to do so.

    "It sounds trivial to some people, but to true enthusiasts, it's a slap in the face," said Tim Beggs, moderator of StangNet.com, a longtime Mustang fan site. The forum was among those to ban powerTV.


    "You pour your heart into something and try to make a product nice and strong, and someone comes and litters on your front door. You do take exception to them."

    PowerTV's Lawrence said his tiny company made some missteps, namely posting promotional material without permission, in trying to establish a name. Another one of powerTV's high-profile clients, parts supplier Tenneco Inc., asked Lawrence to stop posting videos because the company feared an image problem, he said.

    Complications are bound to arise, Lawrence said, as the world of automotive media becomes more interactive and user-driven.

    "We showed a little bit of disregard for those communities by not asking them if they could post our material. We definitely learned our lesson."

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    It seems that these articles are playing even more into what they really want; EXPOSURE. I mean everyone on the net has heard of PowerMellissa. As much as we all hate it and bitch about them showing up on sites, we should start ignoring them. Kudos for keeping them on the Ban List Sam!

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    Apparently, they subscribe to the theory that there is no such thing as bad publicity....which has been proven wrong, time and time again!

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    In this case the publicity is BAD, because it shows that even advertisers (who keep them in business) are recognizing that they are creating bad vibes and pulling the plug - so as not to be associated with them.

    These people have come at me a number of times in the past year with some pretty desperate plays. They are going down.
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    To be honest I haven't really had much experience with them, but glad to see Sam is taking care of us.

    I video is cool, but let's keep 'em fun. IMO

    I have to agree with publicity. I even won't go to places based on their commercials. I still won't eat at Quiznos after they cam out with the signing rat commercial, It was just stupid. I know that many people think some stuff is funny, but to me dumb doesn't sell me. Another good example is whatever stupid commercial for "jackie Moon". I'm sorry but it's just stupidity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shay View Post
    They are going down.

    Get'em Shay!
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    I met her last year on the Power Tour!

    Last year on the Hot Rod Power Tour I met "PowerMelissa" and she did a clip with me Drag Racing the Roush. I had fun and enjoyed the clip. I certainly can't speak to the spam stuff. Too bad it seems to get in the way of the car part of it. She certainly knew about the Roush cars.

    I'll look for her again this year on the Power Tour in June.
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    The have done some good work out there. No question about it.

    Their problem is their guerilla marketing tactics, assuming they can just post links to their site all over the place without permission. They have rubbed almost ALL the Mustang and Ford sites the wrong way. I know this because many of us chat with each other regularly about stuff like this. It's a small world.

    What they do is "USE" sites like ours to drive traffic to their videos and make money selling advertising with them. They would show up and post a bunch of links and say something like, "Look at the cool videos I shot down at NMRA this weekend". Then you find out they are just a media company that sells commercials on the videos they make.

    In the webmaster realm, this is considered pretty "low rent" behavior. When you want to promote your website or company on a forum, you always ask permission first, (at least I do) and your do your best to compensate the website with some kind of return favor be it trade for PR or $$$. And obviously if you are a real member of the forum have a personal website or a fan site that is not a big company - that is completely a different thing.

    But they have an even more diabolical system set up where they "GIVE" webmasters "THEIR TECHNOLOGY", to offer their website visitors "VIDEO" in their sites. But like YouTube, the system is designed to pull visitors away from your site and into theirs. That's fine to a degree, but at least YouTube doesn't come here and virally spam us with their videos to drive traffic to their site. (We do that to ourselves )

    Every time I called PowerTV on it, they say "Sorry", but come back again and again under new user names and keep doing it. The people I have spoken to down there - particularly Melissa were very arrogant and condescending. They acted as if they were God coming down to offer me the salvation I so badly needed to ascend to webmaster heaven - and by golly "why are you so stupid as to deny your God?". I finally had to ban their IP address to keep them from coming back.
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    Thanks for the details!

    Clearly, the rest of the story. There is a reason they say ignorance is bliss! Appreciate you explaining the issues.


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    It just has never come up here before, because myself or the moderators have always nuked it before it stayed around very long - like all the other spam.

    But, because they got such a lashing on the Detroit News, I thought I's post it up for all to see.


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    Here is one of powermelissa's posts here: http://www.fnsweet.com/forums/showthread.php?t=30688





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    What a bunch of useless asshats!

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    Here is an example of one of nmrajames past posts on FnSweet: http://www.fnsweet.com/forums/showthread.php?t=30059

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