Joe Gibbs Racing...

[bigtone408]

Gets Kyle Busch next season. i wonder how he and Tony will mesh as teammates.

[C_TAYLOR]

I Heard That Gibbs Was Possibly Going To Be Toyota Next Year... What A Mistake If Thats The Case...

[bigtone408]

Originally Posted by C_TAYLOR

I Heard That Gibbs Was Possibly Going To Be Toyota Next Year... What A Mistake If Thats The Case...

Why would that be a mistake?

[Sabre]

Originally Posted by C_TAYLOR

I Heard That Gibbs Was Possibly Going To Be Toyota Next Year... What A Mistake If Thats The Case...

If Joe Gibbs Racing switches to Toyota and if they don't get the Toyotas running any better than, Michael Waltrip Racing, Bill Davis Racing or Team Red Bull has gotten the Toyotas to run this year, old Tony Stewart will be sitting in 38th place in the chase and screaming bloody murder!

[bigtone408]

Originally Posted by Sabre

If Joe Gibbs Racing switches to Toyota and if they don't get the Toyotas running any better than, Michael Waltrip Racing, Bill Davis Racing or Team Red Bull has gotten the Toyotas to run this year, old Tony Stewart will be sitting in 38th place in the chase and screaming bloody murder!

The other difference is that those other teams don't have Tony Stewart or Kyle Busch or Hamlin either. They all a bunch of has beens or never beens for that matter. And with a series like NASCAR where everyone has the same equipment, the team resources and drivers can make all the difference.

[C_TAYLOR]

You Could Have Put Who Ever You Want In Those Toyotas And They Still Wouldnt Have Done A Thing.... Nascar Killed Toyota When The Said They Couldnt Use The Truck Engine... They Started From Scratch... Its Going To Be A Couple More Seasons Before A Toyota Even Makes The Chase

[C_TAYLOR]

Originally Posted by bigtone408

The other difference is that those other teams don't have Tony Stewart or Kyle Busch or Hamlin either. They all a bunch of has beens or never beens for that matter.

Has beens or never beens... you list Hamlin... granted he had an amazing year last year... but so did the 9 and look at him now... I dont see your reasoning behind Toyotas not being ready for nascar yet? I know what you mean about the 55 the 44 and a couple others but the 00 and Vickers are both in my opinion great drivers.. to be honest I think that Kyle Busch is one of the best drivers in the series I have an idea he can drive anything with wheels on it, I guess i just dont understand who you think can make a Toyota work...

[Tom_Oliver]

Exactly. Someone asked on my Nascar forum at the beginning of the year when Toyota would win a race, and I said they wouldn't win at all this year, cause all their drivers suck. Vickers was in the best equipment at Hendrick and did nothing with it. You put Stewart in a Toyota, even right now, and he'd figure out how to win.

Originally Posted by bigtone408

The other difference is that those other teams don't have Tony Stewart or Kyle Busch or Hamlin either. They all a bunch of has beens or never beens for that matter. And with a series like NASCAR where everyone has the same equipment, the team resources and drivers can make all the difference.

[bigtone408]

Originally Posted by Tom_Oliver

...and I said they wouldn't win at all this year...

They did win a busch race already.

Originally Posted by C_TAYLOR

I guess i just dont understand who you think can make a Toyota work...

The only issue I take with this statement is who can make a toyota work? The question is...is it really a Toyota? Apart from the engine no, especially in the coming COT era. According to Waltrip the engine lacks torque but not top end power. But Dave Blaney has had some impressive runs including a pole so I would say Toyota is not far off and a drive like Stewart and Kyle Busch could easliy be what they need. It may also force GM, Dodge, and Ford especially to get serious about their program or face extinction in the sport.

[Tom_Oliver]

Did they? I gave up on that. Let me know when it's not 20 Cup guys in the races anymore.

Originally Posted by bigtone408

They did win a busch race already.

[D ROUSH]

My left nut says Gibbs wont be running toyotas .. at least not anytime soon

[bigtone408]

Originally Posted by D ROUSH

My left nut says...

Didn't you already lose that one?

[mkeane]

If Gibbs goes to Toyota next year they WILL win multiple times, its the Toyota drivers not getting it done this year, not the car

[diane]

Originally Posted by bigtone408

Gets Kyle Busch next season. i wonder how he and Tony will mesh as teammates.

Ah hah, the question of all questions. I am sure all of them will be all one happy family. A bnch of crybabies. Denny will be calling his crew chief to asking him to talk to Kyle's, Tony will be putting donuts into the side of the others' carsand knocking them out of the race, Kyle will be pissing everyone off just like he always does.

[RED ROUSH WA]

I wonder when Honda, VW,or Subaru gonna step into NASCAR.

[bigtone408]

Originally Posted by RED ROUSH WA

I wonder when Honda, VW,or Subaru gonna step into NASCAR.

Honda is already considering it. And if they jump in everybody better look out.

[D ROUSH]

Originally Posted by bigtone408

Didn't you already lose that one?

Yea... but not to a honda/toyota lover

[TPSMak]

Toyota usually ONLY plays to win.. BUT in F1 and CUP they are getting their asses handed to them. The one thing we Ford fans better watch out for is Toyota will outspend ANY manufacturer to try and win. Hopefully won't figure it out...

Here are the Budgets for F1 in 2003 and Toyota has UPPED it since! Toyota's budget for F1 is rumored to be about the same as Ferrari now.

$443,800,000 Ferrari
$353,300,000 Williams
$304,600,000 McLaren
$290,400,000 Toyota
$225,100,000 BAR
$206,800,000 Renault
$119,500,000 Sauber
$ 79,200,000 Jordan
$ 78,800,000 Jaguar
$ 39,600,000 Minardi

[C_TAYLOR]

Originally Posted by bigtone408

They did win a busch race already.



The only issue I take with this statement is who can make a toyota work? The question is...is it really a Toyota? Apart from the engine no, especially in the coming COT era. According to Waltrip the engine lacks torque but not top end power.

I guess I could or should have added this year or next to the end of that statement... Toyota will eventually win... its not the drivers fault is all I m saying about this year!

[Mr DayZee]

Toyota is just behind in some areas such as the engine and downforce. I go to alot of the races and in the garage area frequently and Toyota is close to turning there program around. NASCAR just allowed them to make changes on the bodies which will give them much more downforce which they were lacking and they have changed the engine package. Before long don't be surprised to see them have an advantage. As far as drivers many of these guys are equal and in NASCAR not everyone has equal equipment. Just because a team has money doesn't mean they have the greatest equipment. In fact some teams are way behind right now because they focus on the wrong stuff, plus the COT is taking alot of added focus. My pick for Yotas to show potential are the #00 and the #83 for this year. I don't like them but they will be strong in the future for sure.