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Old 08-11-2008, 10:04 PM
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Turbo Blower Combo Questions

Hi all,

Wasn't sure exactly where this question belonged, so I'll place it here as it deals with mechanical issues. Basically, my question deals with Supercharging and Turbocharging a car simulteaneously. On one hand, I know it can be done, but is it well worth it.

The issue at hand deals with a Mustang I found that has a twin turbo kit from HP Performance, I believe it's like a stage 1 turbo kit. My buddy has a Saleen supercharger he was willing to sell me for basically a steal, and it's been hardly used, he's just trading the car in and knows they won't give him anything extra for it. I told him I'd thank about it.

So here I am, thinking about it with some help from you guys. My question would be, what's the best route. Do I keep it twin turbod (not sure hp/tq.) or go just supercharged. It would seem to me the turbos would be better, but who knows? But what seems to be the best way is to use the supercharger for that low end power while the turbos spool up. It has been done, but I'm not sure what all goes into making it worth while. Seems to me it could also be extremely stupid if not done correctly.

I don't want to end up losing performance just because it was cool to have "twin turbos". At the same time, I have seen guys with their muscle cars twin supercharged and that just doesn't work well at all. Doesn't even sound cool either constantly revving up and down. But anyways, just some information would be helpful.

I get to go look at it either this weekend of next, soon as I can make the 8hr drive to Ohio. Later...
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Old 08-12-2008, 01:17 AM
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I have to ask... Are you serious?

If a Turbo and supercharger has been put on a car, and it actually works, then I want to see that. I really don't see that working. it MAY run at an idle but I don't see it actually "working."

if you want to make the most HP then the TT kit will win over any supercharger. If you want a nice, smooth driveable car, with higher TQ then a supercharger is the way to go. My personal favorite is the Kenne Bell.
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Old 08-12-2008, 05:00 AM
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I've heard of twin supercharged but never a turbo\supercharger application.

The only thing is - how much air can you really move?
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I have to ask... Are you serious?

If a Turbo and supercharger has been put on a car, and it actually works, then I want to see that. I really don't see that working. it MAY run at an idle but I don't see it actually "working."
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Old 08-12-2008, 05:58 AM
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Old 08-12-2008, 06:13 AM
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Old 08-12-2008, 06:25 AM
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helion makes a kit for 03-04 cobras...i saw one at the track its insane power
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Old 08-12-2008, 07:34 AM
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helion makes a kit for 03-04 cobras...i saw one at the track its insane power
Yeah, its called The Hellraiser:

The latest thing to come from Hellion's shop is the insane "Hellraiser" Twin Turbo kit for 96-04 Mustangs.
This kit posseses a very unique feature: While it is designed to work like any of our other, single turbo kits, this kit is also compatible for use with a Roots-style supercharger in place, creating the first mail order aftermarket compound boost system in the Mustang Community. This system keeps the low end torque of a supercharger, but supplies it with the top end rush of a turbo system. The goal for this system was to create the most average power, also known as power under the curve. This useable power is what
creates the advantage for this kit, allowing good low-end response with a screaming top end charge.

http://www.hellionpowersystems.com/news.html

VW has a car that has dual power adders.
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Old 08-12-2008, 07:50 AM
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badass i want one
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badass i want one
From the looks of your garage, you should be able to afford one
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Old 08-12-2008, 09:25 AM
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Well, I think I got an answer sort of. I hadn't read that article before, so thank Roushinator. That helped a lot, because finding information was getting difficult even through google. Perhaps, I needed different keywords.

Anyways, from what I can gather, it would be possible. Perhaps some custom fabrication would be needed and several upgraded or specialty parts also would need ordered, but in theory the system could work. But then, there are some problems. In theory, yes it works, but these systems I could have avaible were not built to be used together, so besides the custom hosing, parts, etc that might be needed, there poses a risk of reliability. And of course, I suppose since they weren't created to be used in conjunction with each other, no matter how much tuning I could do, the full potential of a blower/turbo combo would never come out.

Obviously, if I were to go about doing this, I'd be smarter to buy a system such as the Hellraiser that was designed specifically for the combo application and sell off the others to help afford it. And last but not least, I want the car to be a nice street car as well, something that could be a daily driver (even though it will most likely be garage queen). And I don't see this system being reliable or practical, especially in how I was planning to do it.

But it is quite neat to see a working application of the combo. Seems to me it works well...

And I think 08427R should post some photos of his collection together, that'd be awesome to see those beauties.
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i gotta get some pics of the others i got some chevys too but wrong place for that
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Man those are crazy awesome...you're truly a lucky guy.
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