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Old 04-27-2008, 02:06 PM
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Cams or SC?

Ok guys its about time I get going on the engine a bit more, so i'm in a big debate with myself about should I stay n/a and get the cams OR do I save up a bit more and get myself a SC kit.
Stangs used predominantly as a street/show car and sees very limited track use and only driven as a summer ride. Besides the obvious difference in price between the two choices, what else should I be thinking of that I might not be?

Right now im thinking that cams would be the way to go for me, but than I keep thinking SC might be better.

I know I'll be buying another truck in the next couple yrs as well, so that makes me think even more.

What do you guys think should be my choice, given the way I use my car?
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Old 04-27-2008, 02:07 PM
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Old 04-27-2008, 03:12 PM
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Are you going to do the install yourself? If so the SC install is easier.
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Old 04-27-2008, 04:24 PM
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Old 04-27-2008, 05:15 PM
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The supercharger is going to give you more bang for your buck. If you add cams your going to have to have it retuned for them to make any effect except for making your gas mileage worse. I put cams in my built motor and it helped it a lot on top, but with a stock na car i wouldn't expect much more than a change in sound.
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Old 04-27-2008, 07:46 PM
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Supercharger! That way your car will still drive & idle like normal stock...then when you hit the gas! The best of both worlds...a lot more return on the investment.
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Old 04-27-2008, 08:01 PM
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Old 04-27-2008, 08:05 PM
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Old 04-27-2008, 08:49 PM
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built motor and SC. I may be biased tho lol
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Old 04-27-2008, 10:29 PM
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I would get a SC.. the amount of money spent on cams is not worth it IMO.
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Old 04-28-2008, 03:19 PM
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I would get a SC.. the amount of money spent on cams is not worth it IMO.

From the research and from talking to other guys, s/c is about double the cost of getting cams done.

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Are you going to do the install yourself? If so the SC install is easier.
I would defn. not be doing the cam install, the s/c however I might just do on my own with some help from some knowlegeable guys, but I also have some connections who could hook me up with a cheap install.

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The supercharger is going to give you more bang for your buck. If you add cams your going to have to have it retuned for them to make any effect except for making your gas mileage worse. I put cams in my built motor and it helped it a lot on top, but with a stock na car i wouldn't expect much more than a change in sound.
I know the most substantial change I would see when doing cams would be the sound, but I was still under the impression that I would see gains in hp still, anywhere from 25-45hp? which I believe 45 may be a bit high.
As with a s/c I would still need a tune just like cams wouldn't I?


I can't seem to decide on what would be the better investment between the two, and on another board the tech guys were telling me to get the cams.


I do know that if I went s/c, I would most likely go centrifugal over roots, love the KB but just to rich for me, but other than I'm still up in air
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All depends on how you like to drive...the roots or twin screw give you instantaneous response from idle on up...the centri won't be as much fun unless you are on the dragstrip & running high RPMS a lot...your choice however, I'm not driving it.
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Old 04-28-2008, 05:50 PM
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Sure the s.c. is more expensive. How much rwhp would you get from cams, 20-30?

From the s.c., a Whipple like I have, you would get over 210 more rwhp. I dynoed 468 rwhp. With a 15% loss, the factory 300 fwhp = 255 rwhp.
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Yes the CAMS are cheaper BUT if you based them on RWHP per dollar the SC wins hands down...
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I know the most substantial change I would see when doing cams would be the sound, but I was still under the impression that I would see gains in hp still, anywhere from 25-45hp? which I believe 45 may be a bit high.
As with a s/c I would still need a tune just like cams wouldn't I?
You would see some type of horsepower gains, but you wouldn't be able to get these gains without a tune. Just adding cams to your car with the stock tune, would more than likely hurt you in power. I'm not sure about the amount of power gained from just a cam swap, but i would guess some where in the 30-45whp range.
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Old 04-30-2008, 01:38 AM
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You would see some type of horsepower gains, but you wouldn't be able to get these gains without a tune. Just adding cams to your car with the stock tune, would more than likely hurt you in power. I'm not sure about the amount of power gained from just a cam swap, but i would guess some where in the 30-45whp range.
I would of course have my car dyno tuned after the install, as I also know that the stock tune would no longer be sufficient. What I'm unsure of which I'm sure someone here can tell me, is when dealing with cam tune, I dont have to go out and get an aftermarket chip for the tune would I?
I'm starting to think going cam route first, and than s/c is the path I'm more likely to take, so I need some advice on brands and grind I should be looking for, should also mention I dont want to aggressive of a grind.
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Old 04-30-2008, 06:04 AM
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If you go the cam Route then i would go with the Anderson Cams.

http://www.andersonfordmotorsport.com/

I have one in my car.
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Old 05-01-2008, 12:41 AM
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I've been doing some research and asking around the n/a mustangers, and I've been told that HiTech makes a really good cam.

Now im in search of a cam that will allow for the stock internals to stay as in heads/springs, I dont care about tune getting one is not a problem and will do it regardless most likely, but I still want that throaty engine when sitting at idle, which the 262's i hear are a good example of a cam that you cant even hear at all. any suggestions guys?
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Old 05-01-2008, 05:57 AM
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I would of course have my car dyno tuned after the install, as I also know that the stock tune would no longer be sufficient. What I'm unsure of which I'm sure someone here can tell me, is when dealing with cam tune, I dont have to go out and get an aftermarket chip for the tune would I?
I'm starting to think going cam route first, and than s/c is the path I'm more likely to take, so I need some advice on brands and grind I should be looking for, should also mention I dont want to aggressive of a grind.
If you do get it tuned you will have to have another computer installed or hopefully yours is one that they can write over with a hand held flash tuner. I had to buy a computer so that we could get mine tuned. Thanks to Roush's great idea to break the chip board off.
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